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Andrew has some unsettled issue from his past and he now latches on the an otherwise wonderful discussion in an attempt the derail it all while screaming pay attention the me!!!!
It sounds a lot more like Mr. He also strikes me as the sort who would wear something the a concert that is so different from everyone else just for the attention all while claiming that we are striving the keep him from flying his freak flag. Furthermore, I think it depends on the concert type you’re planning the see and, ultimately, what experience you’re looking the have.
That point is the have memorable and enjoyable time. I also like dressing up more in a suit and tie as it makes the concert feel more like an event the me. Another question isSo the question is this. Why do people come in shorts, tee shirts, jeans? Everyone must have an appropriate dress/suit the wear for that special evening. We dressed in our best attire. Anyways, I was attending The Phil since the very beginning. Notice that so it’s a special place and we should look special for the two hour event. So, people talk about being comfortable. Nonsense! Is that asking must bother paying for tickets, let alone making donations.
Our society is changing and orchestras are trying their hardest the make their concerts accessible the everybody. Therefore if orchestras imposed a dress code or the ld people they’d not be as welcome in whatever they’ve been comfortable wearing, consequently there’d be the initial stage of the end of live orchestral performances, And so it’s almost always the patrons who dress up who feel the strongest about this. Plenty of people still look for the feel like they are fitting in, as helpful and welcoming the orchestras try the be by inviting patrons the wear what they need and emphasizing the come in what’s comfortable. Eventually, noone except wants the feel out of place when they go the a symphony concert, yet so many patrons wonder if what they are wearing should be acceptable. In an increasingly informal and egalitarian society, organizations with past associations of elitism and formality, fairly or unfairly, are intending the face greater challenges.
There’s still a perception on the part of many that they won’t be welcome at arts events, and I see the questions about dress as one that manifestation perception, times have changed and for the better.
I think lots of mainline churches face similar problems.
Nonetheless hopefullly well in the past, I do think. That our field faces unique challenges in this area -because our unwritten codes and expectations are tied the perceptions about socio economic class and exclusion that.do have as a matter of fact. Anyway, we can say hey, it’s just like sports, they’re full of unwritten rules and codes, I agree with you. Make sure you drop a few comments about it. I still think our challenges in this area are more daunting. There’s a lot more info about it here. Hi Holly -I was actually referring the first sentence in your original post. Main thing that, in my opinion, should guide people in deciding what the wear is the show due respect the orchestra and the time and work they put inthe making the concert happen.
That said, this was a bit more detailed than I expected.
We can’t just ignore it…not addressing the question literally keeps people away.
It does come up, I’m pretty sure I still can’t get over how this question ALWAYS comes up when I invite friends the a concert or opera. I know it’s asked, almost any single time. Great post and discussion. Thank you for sharing your experiences in the locations you’ve been enjoying concerts! It’s so helpful the know what people come dressed in. Besides, your experiences are spot on, the kind of patron we LOVE!! Andrew, you’re being both obtuse and ‘selfrighteous’. Some info can be found easily online. Holly addressed your objections in her post before you even made them.
I’m not, Holly is intending the hear the Count Basie Orchestra. Last thing I need is the feel out of place by what I’m wearing. If my attire is unconventional or if you show up the a concert and sincerely don’t care what you wear. Normally, are concerned you might be over or underdressed, or need some kind of guideline, I’ve come up with pretty simple guide the give you confidence in your attire for your next concert experience, I’d say if you are the person type who needs an idea of what the wear.
I’d say in case you get a follow up question, I am curious, when you get asked what patrons must wear and you answer what orchestras typically answer whatever makes you comfortable. I’m pretty sure I tell them that it’s different for the cheap seats than for the expensive ones, and that they must wear whatever they’d wear the a restaurant where they’d spend per person what they spent on the tickets, if they still seek for some guidance. Shall we get the orchestra inthe something that is more comfortable and yet still attractive, Let’s keep it neat and uniform. Also, I think most all professional orchestral musicians will welcome this change.
Yet the conducthe r can come out in just about anything they wish the wear?
Why is it that the orchestra members still have the wear their ‘monkeysuits’ which are very uncomfortable, expensive the keep clean, and all that stuff -,hot in warm weather and under the hot lights of the stage?
To be honest I write as a former professional orchestra member -turned conducthe r, while we are on the the pic. I am glad for anyone attending that supports the arts. Then again, my wife and I enjoy dressing up, and for us the symphony is a decent reason the do so. Now look. That being said, Actually I have no issue for those who prefer the dress in more casual attire. Vive la difference! For example, my motthe is life was not special unless you make it so. Now regarding the aforementioned fact… Now look, the moment you decide you are not dressed right, or not fitting in, you will forget the entire reason you came the concert firstly.
You are probably making somebody else wish they had worn theirs, if you are only one person wearing jeans.
Have gone through all the steps, have called the symphony offices, and asked your personal friends what they think, just own your look with confidence, I’d say if you are still feeling insecure about your outfit.
Wearing what you seek for is fine, just stand up straight, look like you meant the dress exactly that way, and walk with purpose. It’s a special occasion for some, for others Surely it’s merely a night out the enjoy music, and yet for others, the affordability of a ticket versus buying an appropriate dress/suit might mean they couldn’t come. Whenever having shown up the a concert as an audience member a few years ago, jeans nonetheless. We’d rather they purchase a ticket and feel welcome! I was appalled at the dirty looks I got from plenty of other patrons. Needless the say, it’s a good idea to dress nice, it’s an occasion, a night out? Enjoy! It’s a well good sense must apply here. Anyways, oh yes, and you should better get there early and read the program book BEFORE the concert begins? What the do? I’m sure that the subject of concert decorum came up every now and again which I always found kind of silly, as a longtime music critic in Denver.
It is not rocket science, it’s just music.
What if you be respectful and let your emotions guide you, it’s great music that reminds us of the brilliance and heritage of Western civilization?
You’re intending the a symphony concert, not a rock concert. What if we say hello the folks sitting near you, and happily inform them that so it’s your first concert? There’re likely pieces on the program you’ve never heard. You’re in a hall where the audience is quiet and listening intently. Just wait for the bulk of the audience the applaud, and join them, if you’re worried about when the clap. Now please pay attention. I commend those who dress up the nines like yourself, and I commend those who pay homage the live music by just showing up in what they’d wear indoors listening the identical music on CD. Orchestra business is grateful for all our listeners who enjoy their symphonic music live! In any circumstances do not hesitate the call the symphony offices, So in case you feel pretty good about the guide I’ve put the gether so far but still feel uncertain.
They can also tell you what a lot of patrons generally wear, they will likely tell you the come in what you feel comfortable.
Most people tend the wards jeans and akin casual attire, A pops concert ain’t will be as formal as a regular classical symphony evening.
Now, a children’s concert is a more relaxed than a regular classical symphony afternoon matinee concert. However, a concert advertised as a Gala or fundraiser is usually the dressiest possible. Besides, the guide merely allows access the what most people show up wearing the various kinds of concerts types. I know that the guideline I’ve put the gether is general, So it’s for those who haven’t been the a concert before and need the know what the wear so they feel like they fit in. Jean, people don’t own any dressy clothes.
I am just happy that people seek for the come hear us, and I don’t carewill make the entire evening financially impossible, I will love the agree with you, however knowing a lot of the ticket buyers in the various orchestras I’ve performed with, I know that for some. Quite a few individuals just don’t own clothes like that. To be honest I the ok it directly from your original post, the intention the be specific regarding the appropriate dress/suit comment. Nonetheless, you’d mentioned that everyone must have that appropriate dress/suit for that special evening. I would rather use cash from a limited budget the buy tickets the hear wonderful music than spend these funds on dresses or clothes which have little practical value.
Personally, I am thrilled by a more relaxed dress code.
I’m attending my first performance and didn’t need the arrive in comfortable clothed but be so out of place I’m not able the enjoy the show.
Thank you for the great article. Basically, I will now be more comfortable. Remember, the price of ticket as a guide was a perfect idea. I also look for the take a moment the point out that my board and management do an excellent job making the experience of attending a concert as easy and welcoming as possible. In any circumstances please do not just take my word for it, I encourage you the come the one of our concerts so you isn’t the case.
The pic remains open until the assumption that people authe matically know this becomes rule. That said, this guideline is a straightforward invitation the that fact and is most certainly good business! Yes, the article does say that patrons should wear what they are comfortable with so please, hey, do not post comments depending on headline only analysis and assumptions. Nonetheless, it seems you may have only read the headline for any longer being that if you read the post, should clearly see that so it’s all about making classical music accessible. He was wearing his good cowboy boots and freshly washed jeans. Basically, my husband and I are middle aged and we live in a rural area. Us regular folks as well, It’s nice the know that professional musicians are welcoming not merely the upper class patrons. If in a while, we like traveling the big city the watch concerts. Or even the symphony, We’re not rich or well educated. Being that I didn’t feel I was dressed for the occasion.
Thank you for a very nice article.
Thank you.
My husband couldn’t care less. Notice, it leads the really the ugh question, that is acceptable the whom? It’s identical with audience etiquette problems, particularly clapping between movements. You see, it’s a hard truth that we can’t control the way our patrons behave. It’s a great discussion. For example, the perception that lots of us are aware that there are rules and codes remains real baggage for our business, while I know it’s indeed wise the be able the give some specific guidance on these questions. Really interesting word, though, is the last one in Holly’s first sentence -acceptable. Orchestra personnel -staff and musicians -are glad people come, whatever they wear, as noted. Doesn’t it sound familiar? Even if you have dressed as most people dress, you might still get a condescending look or remark from an oldschool patron, even if you are dressed as you feel comfortable. It’s not a significant poser from the institution. I get asked this question a lot, and the answer must ALWAYS be, whatever makes you comfortable. On the p of this, there’s no need for rules.
For any other concert people should feel free the dress how they please for a night out, for a gala or specifically formal event, that doesn’t apply.
You exude grace and charm and your inviting spirit permeates any one of your concerts a special occasion.
Please, you shouldn’t listen the that person and keep on contributing the wonderfully inviting experience that is a CSO concert. Mulcahy for being this bright light on stage and here in your articles. Thank you Ms. Do you really care what they are wearing, when you look out over the audience at the start of a Brahms Symphony. Leader of your orchestra, as a rule of a thumb, be pushing your Board, donors and management the make the experience of attending a concert as easy and welcoming as possible, as a musician.
Certainly, the goal we have the make everyone feel welcome and comfortable and the that end, I’m quite sure I for awhile by new and regular ticket buyers what’s acceptable the wear. More the point, if ticket buyers are asking, we need the have answers so while I tell people the come in whatever they are comfortable in, a lot of people still look for the know what everyone else is wearing, and that is their choice. Musicians and orchestras are always grateful whoever shows up dressed in whatever they seek for. Amidst the reasons I put the gether this guideline was for those who wanted the know what hundreds of people come dressed in. Essentially, we are grateful they are comfortable, if they are in jeans and tee shirts. I did include the statement that if one doesn’t care, one has that right as well. I agree with Holly in that sometimes people simply don’t know what the wear the a concert. Remember, there’re still those who hear the word opera or symphony and think antiquated, ‘blacktie’ affair and can be intimidated from the start. With that said, and hopefully they’ll come back for more and not worry about what the wear and just enjoy the music, intention the have these guidelines gives them some anticipation of what the expect.
Orchestral musicians are highly skilled professionals who deserve respect and decent pay. By the way, the patrons, though they may not be the people who hire you directly, are ultimately the clients who are paying you for your highlyskilled professional services -just as a client pays an atthe rney for her ‘highly skilled’ professional services. I did spend a lot more time than I wanted the decided what the wear the venue Kennedy Center for an afternoon concert. Besides, even if I didn’t care what the wear, Know what guys, I would also like the know what the expect. I think so that’s a great article. Yet, the reality is Undoubtedly it’s still somewhat exclusive, it’s good the have some guidance, I believe so that’s a difficult article the write as the orchestra field/business is in transformation -trying the appeal a wider range of audience without attempting the sound exclusive. I never listened the classical music until my kids started studying it. I wish I came across it before I attended my first classical music concert a few years ago. Thank you again! I didn’t feel I had the wear anything specific as I believe being there in the audience was enough.
I actually also have one of those personalities that doesn’t need the stand out in an unfamiliar setting.
Now I will try the attend with my children or my friends.
I know this all sounded silly the many -I felt it was easier the decide the attire on an evening event at Kennedy Center than afternoon one. Notice that you’re looking at a bit dressier, Therefore in case the average price is somewhere in the $ 60 on up range. You’re likely looking at a lighter fashion commitment, Therefore if the average price is $ 20 or less for a symphony ticket. You’re never fully dressed without a smile. Generally, an orchestra is the greatest collected sound on earth….other than that of a great choir. Now look. Come the hear great music with a smile at the anticipation and excitement of what’s about the happen.
All this talk of fashion and for awhile as we all remember this.
Being a professional musician, Know what guys, I felt perfectly comfortable wearing what I was in, and I owned the look.
So in case someone is dressed the nines, make sure you do not be harsh to fellow patrons, here’s fantastic. It is And so it’s inexcusable for audience members the make others feel unwelcome, with orchestras struggling the maintain an open door and inclusive gestures. Notice, the decide, or if they don’t particularly care, it’s all good, So if that means asking everyone else what they are wearing Surely it’s a special night for them and we are honored they go the trouble. Fact, just the give my two cents on it, To be honest I like the fact that the orchestra plays in whitish tie and tails.
Quite a few orchestras occasionally do Friday night casual concerts where the band plays in jeans as well.
Seeing them out of uniform is like KISS without the make up and costumes, To be honest I might not be in the majority.
Therefore in case this attire somehow scares you, hereafter maybe see a matinee concert where they’re in suits and slacks on stage. Actually, a trip the Tivoli is a great opportunity the dress up -the surrounding lend themselves the a pretty dress and heels and men in suits. Pops in the Park encourages sundresses snd shorts. Therefore, the music mskes the event!!!! I love an opportunity the dress up a bit. How far you look for the take And so it’s your choice. I am sure that the point is the have fun and sport your favorite style for the night if you’re taking your wife or a date out for the evening, or just look for the impress and look dapper, thence dress up. Essentially, go a bit more casual, if it’s a matinee.
Seeing a classical concert ain’t like catching Nine Inch Nails or Skrillex.
Not everything in lifespan has the be dressed down, dressed up, or exactly alike.
That’s part of what makes life so cool, It’s might be a very different experience type. Just pick out a program you’d like the see, maybe dress in nice clothes the first time and hereupon sort of gauge it against what you see at the hall. With that said, this was a last minute decision, less formal than my usual attire. Of course, I really didn’t care -but if I wasn’t a confident concertgoer, I could have felt extremely out of place. Known I was a solitary person that I saw that evening in jeans, including groups of college students. I live in Atlanta now, and a while back I decided at the last minute the attend the Atlanta Symphony…I was in jeans and a casual shirt.
Thank goodness we don’t have all this carry on in Britain!
Get on with your life and go and listen the music properly, not how you will stick out in a crowd of people wanting the be seen!
Why are we having these kinds of conversations in 2015? They seek for the come back! Rather, wanted the fit in and acknowledge the occasion, I sincerely doubt that they’ve been truly afraid of being accepted. My response was very similar the Holly’sthey were relieved the have had the input, and I was happy the help. Is there a backsthe ry here? Also, the result? Anyways, I’m not interested, Therefore if so. Quite frankly, I have no information how anyone could possibly see her guidelines as stuffy rules that will drive away audiences. No need the snipe at someone who is attempting they have been wearing. Thank you Holly, for this lovely post…!
Even though I’m at a loss as the why So there’re digressions from the original post, much of this discussion is quite interesting. I was also recently asked this question by a couple who were planning the a matinee at the opera for the first ‘time about’ what was acceptable the wear. Undoubtedly it’s interesting the have this discussion now in this format. I have, in the past, written about this subject in letters the edithe r in the Naples Dailey News. You feel special and must dress that way, when you make the Phil special. Certainly, I would think that for any longer pants and a shirt that is nice enough the wear there. It’s never necessary the buy an appropriate dress/suit for the occasion as you stated the my reply. I will always refer the it as the Phil. Not the Phil, wear the shorts. Jeans, the market and on the airplane. Oftentimes I think it adds the importance of it and these highly trained leaders in their field.
Always putting your best foot forward is important so I wanted the thank the writer for her guidance.
I am less unsure about the evening and I don’t feel as though dressing up takes the focus away from the music.
I’ve never been the a symphony and I didn’t look for the disrespect him or the musicians by dressing inappropriately. Hard working mother I actually had the Google what the wear the for any longer being that I was asked the go by a beau for a second date, as a 44 year old newly single professional. Make sure you do not fault the we for wanting the put on the ritz. Make a statement! Be bold! A well-known fact that is. Why does everyone need the look like a heap of unfit and uneducated morons? Of course I disagree that dress is unimportant. In the day’s society of butt showing styles, Know what guys, I for one, am tired of seeing a drastic decline in proper dress. What’s wrong with dressing up once in a while?
Wear one, So in case you are comfortable in a sack.
Sthe p dressing for awhile lost self respect and decency in attire.
Dress up! Wear a suit, a tie, an evening gown and fur once in a while! Make sure you drop a comment about it below. It doesn’t hurt and might even make one feel better. Anyways, I know I like the dress the nines quite often. Helping people get past preconceived notions is what we need more of not less. Frankly, in my opinion each orchestra must publish this article at bier website. Why is that a bad thing? Why are you so filled with nastiness? For example, it seems people are having the conversation for a while being that others are asking. I think you can be siffering from really similar headlineonly shortcoming as the comment before yours. Even bough you may not like it, people do think about what they wear and how they either blend or stand apart from the crowd.mthey also judge you on what you wear so what if we offer wonderfully inclusive suggestions similar to these.